How do Oppos feel about this?

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 09/02/2016 at 12:27 • Filed to: None

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49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick sits during the pre-game playing of the national anthem.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 12:29

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I feel like I’m sick of hearing about it.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 12:30

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I’ve pretty much ignored it. What actually happened?

Leadbull > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 12:30

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Am I supposed to feel anything?

jimz > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 12:31

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I don’t know. He’s got his reasons, but I don’t share any experiences which would let me understand his motivations. But one of the best things about this country is the freedom to protest against the government and its symbols. Otherwise you get North Korea. I think some people need to get over this hyper-nationalist mindset that this country is perfect (or was perfect in the 1950s.) Believing that there are things about this country which need improvement is not the same as saying “this country sucks.”

“I may detest what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”

- S. G. Tallentyre

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 12:31

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I support his right to do so. I don’t know what it’s like to be oppressed in that way as a white man in a predominately white country, so I can’t really judge it either way.

My citroen won't start > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 12:31

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Who cares?

Future next gen S2000 owner > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 12:33

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The fact that we focus on him sitting vs the actual issues tells a lot about us as a society.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 09/02/2016 at 12:35

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He didn’t stand up during the national anthem. When questioned about it later, he said something to the effect that he wouldn’t show recognition of respect to a country that still oppressed a portion of its citizens.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > jimz 09/02/2016 at 12:35

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I thought that quote was Voltaire.

McMike > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 12:37

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He has every right to sit there as the people do that are criticizing* him to do so.

It’s a free country. As you were.

*Not the ugly racism part, just the freedom to give him shit for it.

EL_ULY > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 12:37

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This is Murica! He can do whatever he wants including his right for peaceful protest. It doesn’t effect me in any level. I think it’s disrespectful indeed, but that’s me not him. Carry on to LaLD and OPPO :]

Old people that are on The Drudge Report all day here at work doe be like....

“ he is trying to force us to be anti establishment. That thar is a commie and a socialist Muslim like Obama. Worthless sack of shit. They outta shoot that * endless derogatory terms * .I bet he isn’t even a Christian ”

Why do some people obsess with race, religious, sex, and faith so much? They sit here at work absolutely furious stressing about the news lol :]

jimz > Snuze: Needs another Swede 09/02/2016 at 12:40

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it’s not a direct quote, it was from a book about Voltaire:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frien…

vondon302 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 12:41

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Meh whatever. It’s his right to do it but has it helped the situation or even brought on a better discussion.... ..

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 12:42

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I can give less than two shits about this. If he wants to sit down fine, it’s his protest. It doesn’t effect me or anybody in the long run or unless you’re a jingoistic patriot that gets triggered .

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Snuze: Needs another Swede 09/02/2016 at 12:44

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Dunno... better to attempt to be the best person you can and lead by example where possible than to spark outrage. Now, most people will just go “oh, he’s the guy who won’t respect his country”. I mean, if he feels he doesn’t have to stand up because of how people are being treated, that’s fine... he’s got the right to express himself. Doesn’t bother me. You’d think though, that if he’d actually though about it he might instead have got up and sang along as loud as he could. What’s happened now? He’s being ridiculed and hated on, and more is being made of the fact he didn’t stand up than the fact that he has a valid concern. Better to be the “patriot with a concern” than the “rebel with an agenda”.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > McMike 09/02/2016 at 12:45

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The ugly racists have every right to be ugly racists too. Pre-Trump, I was convinced that that’s why we don’t have an equivalent of UKIP here, but now I’m not as sure. My theory was always that we let assholes be assholes and people realize they don’t want to be that asshole. I’m a pretty firm believer that the Westboro Baptist Church have done more for gay rights than most advocacy groups simply by being disgusting and making people reevaluate their own positions. It probably helps that they brought dead soldiers into the equation though. That’s a line in the sand the most hate-groups don’t cross.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > EL_ULY 09/02/2016 at 12:45

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Same. With the added note that he probably did more harm than good.

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) 09/02/2016 at 12:47

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They’re so triggered, so very triggered.

McMike > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 09/02/2016 at 12:50

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I threw that in there because it disgusts me, and wanted to make sure I wasn’t included in that group when I shared that opinion.

...but you’re right. Those other comments are protected by the first amendment too.

Roadster Man > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 12:52

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Piece of garbage, but it’s a free country...

That gave him the opportunity to earn millions of dollars by playing a game.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 09/02/2016 at 13:01

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Sam > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 13:03

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He can do what he wants, that’s his right. But if he hates the country so much, why doesn’t he just go somewhere else?

Mattbob > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 13:03

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could not care less.

Pyrochazm > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 13:06

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Read the full lyrics to the national anthem and his protest will make more sense. “No refuge could save the hiring and slave from the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave” tiny history lesson: during the war of 1812 the British enlisted the help of slaves they freed to fight against the U. S.in defense of Canada. That line alludes to”putting the slaves back in their place” so I get where he’s coming from.

The thing is, we only sing the first verse, so the meaning if the song has changed. Much like a lot of us drive cars with the name of a racist eugenics supporting nazi sympathizer, the meaning of the song is beyond what the writer intended.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > jimz 09/02/2016 at 13:36

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Interesting, I didn’t know that. You learn something new everyday. Thanks!

Snuze: Needs another Swede > unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) 09/02/2016 at 13:42

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I don’t really understand all this “trigger” stuff, but that GIF cracks me up.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 13:44

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If you’d asked me this the other day I would have said I don’t care. Now after the sock thing I’m a little but more upset about it. But I still don’t care that much.

NostalgicCarLife > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 13:47

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1st thought: It’s a free country let him express himself how he wants. If one can’t do that, then that’s the real problem.

2nd thought: He hasn’t solved anything or moved anybody in the right direction. But at least he’s getting his 15 minutes in.

MonkeePuzzle > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 13:49

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truly no big deal.

I think it is common courtesy to stand for any nation’s anthem. As an aussie in the US I stand a lot for a song I don’t necessarily agree with, and certainly a pledge I’m not taking.

But if you don’t do it, I might judge you as rude, but can’t believe it’s had so much attention.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) 09/02/2016 at 13:54

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I could imagine that as one of a few stereotypes that might fit NFL fans. And I can also imagine that stereotype being one of several who control — and are — the police in the United States. So I imagine CK is reaching his intended audience.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > McMike 09/02/2016 at 13:56

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* Yes, that’s totally how your initial comment reads (and given that this is Oppo, your clarification, while excellent , is likely unnecessary. Because Oppo.).

And I agree whole heartedly with you.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 09/02/2016 at 13:58

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Westboro Baptist is on another quantum level of asshole.

I agree: be an asshole, but your right to be an asshole stops when you begin to infringe on my (legal) life and activities.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 09/02/2016 at 14:00

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You put that well.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > EL_ULY 09/02/2016 at 14:02

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I’d be curious to learn more about what sort of workplace you have.

We had a nice dinner table conversation last night with two of my wive’s siblings and their spouses about current politics. All of us have rich and rewarding lives and the politics are but one interest.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 09/02/2016 at 14:04

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I’m not so sure. CK’s move may be more shrewd than even he realizes. The people getting bent are the people — that I presume — he wants to reach. This group is, after all, being entertained by the same group of people that they want to hate and oppress. Frankly, whatever CK’s motivations, I think he’s doing kind of a gutsy thing.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 14:04

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Does he specifically say he hates or disrespects the US? If not, then he can sit out all the national anthems he wants.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > jimz 09/02/2016 at 14:06

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I don’t think you need to live his experiences to gain appreciation for them. White folks like me are being forced to look at stuff that some of us would prefer not to look at. And yes, I agree: CK can do what he’s doing because this is not North Korea.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Snuze: Needs another Swede 09/02/2016 at 14:07

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And on Oppo, you may learn stuff that you wish you could un learn!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Future next gen S2000 owner 09/02/2016 at 14:07

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Gotta start somewhere...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Snuze: Needs another Swede 09/02/2016 at 14:08

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The sock thing?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Roadster Man 09/02/2016 at 14:10

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You hit upon an irony: NFL controlled by rich White guys where fanatics pay to do the advertising, where men of color are exploited for folks’ entertainment, where taxpayers are exploited for expensive stadiums and infrastructure, where we now know for certain that NFL players’ brains are getting destroyed...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 09/02/2016 at 14:11

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Would it matter even if he did?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Sam 09/02/2016 at 14:11

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Does he hate the country, or what the country is doing?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > vondon302 09/02/2016 at 14:12

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Are we talking about it? To your question, I’d argue “probably.”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Pyrochazm 09/02/2016 at 14:13

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Well played, Sir; well played.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > NostalgicCarLife 09/02/2016 at 14:14

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Regarging your second thought, I think it’s too early to say.

Sam > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 14:19

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Either way, he’s welcome to go somewhere else. Stuff like this doesn’t do anything at all.

EL_ULY > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 14:21

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just those random angry old “cowboys” that are mad because they have small dicks. 100% honestly think it all boils down to that :] South Park was right :]

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 14:22

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Sure, then people’s suspicions are confirmed. If not, then people have no right to tell him to stand or sit or talk or not, because it does not objectively imply anything.

NostalgicCarLife > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 14:24

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Honestly the only interesting discussion I’ve seen come out of it was regarding comments made by another athlete that Colin isn’t black enough and doesn’t understand what it’s like to be black. Since it seemed to dawn on many, for the first time, that a single person can actually belong to two different races simultaneously. But since this is confusing for people used to procrustean internet dichotomies, I don’t think it will get as much thought as it should.

SVTyler > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 14:27

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Few weeks ago in training camp Kaepernick wore socks that had pigs dressed as cops:

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 14:43

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SVTyler beat me to it. It’s one thing to call attention to a cause you believe in. But the socks make an inflammatory statement that furthers the “us vs. them” type rhetoric that is causing so much of this strife in the first place.

Mattbob > EL_ULY 09/02/2016 at 14:50

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hahaha, fucking drudge report.... You are dead on.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Sam 09/02/2016 at 14:54

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North Korea might be a good place. Dennis Rodman did well there...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > EL_ULY 09/02/2016 at 14:55

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South Park is always right.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > EL_ULY 09/02/2016 at 14:57

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That’s hilarious, though suicide is nothing to joke about.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 09/02/2016 at 14:59

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I’d say that whether or not CK is clever enough to have fully thought through what he is doing, his action is one of fundamentally loving his country while abhorring its actions.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > NostalgicCarLife 09/02/2016 at 15:02

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Who gets to answer the question of “how black is Black?” anyhow? 1/16th? How Jewish did the Jews in Europe have to be on Kristallnacht? (I’m being rhetorical...)

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > SVTyler 09/02/2016 at 15:03

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Thank you. I’d say that rather than police chiefs getting butt-hurt, cops everywhere ought to examine their motivations.

Roadster Man > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 15:10

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I’m not sure “irony” is the word your looking for, at least not in the literary, socratic, or dramatic sense. Literary irony is when something directly opposite to what is expected happens. Dramatic irony is when the characters of a play do not grasp the situation they are in, and Socratic irony is when someone pretends to be ignorant in order to question the beliefs of others. The standard definition is the use of one word to actually indicate the opposite literal meaning.

I see no irony, of any sort, in the situation you described. I do however agree that the NFL is equal to America’s military-industrial complex with regard to the amount of evil-masterminding going on behind the scenes. The NFL is evil, no doubt about that. And football is destroying players’ brains at all levels of play, the NFL being the most prominent stage.

But you must learn to use the word “irony” correctly. Good diction is a lost art, and the overuse of “irony” to describe any contradictory situation is annoying to me, as you can tell.

But yeah, I agree with you on all points. Except your use of the word “irony.”

Camshaft Chris: Skyline/McLaren/Porsche Fanboy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 15:12

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I don’t understand why people get so bent outta shape over this. He’s protesting peacefully. Is that not something that’s a right given to him by the very Constitution that the people getting upset hold as the greatest gawtdamn piece o’ paper on tha’ face of this here Earth? It’s ok to falsely accuse the president of this county of being a terrorist and a Muslim and the anti-Christ and all that because he doesn’t belong to their political party; that’s not un-American. But shit, if that football player don’t stand up during the song, HE HATE’S AMERICA. /logic

Cash Rewards > Sam 09/02/2016 at 15:14

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He’s also welcome to try and improve it. I think it’s terrible that our education and public health systems lag significantly behind other, less wealthy countries. Should I leave, or work to improve? And I do think that provoking conversations like this one, which desperately need to be had, is doing something about it.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 15:47

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I’ll bet you Cheeto Mctinyhands is going to call him out on twitter with a tweet that ends in Sad!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Roadster Man 09/02/2016 at 15:49

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School me! I would not have used diction as you did, but I’m just a self-made poser when it comes to wordcraft. My favorite definition of irony to date was offered to me by Peter Sagal on Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me : “I hope the passengers on the Titanic packed their irony.” (And thank you for typing yeah instead of ya .)

I will study the three flavors of irony as you have set them forth, and thank you for taking the time to do so. I love contradiction and inconsistency and recognizing these and calling attention to them.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) 09/02/2016 at 15:51

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Is this Cheeto someone I might be familiar with? Never heard of him...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Roadster Man 09/02/2016 at 15:57

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And you’d want to type, you’re , not your ... The first would be a contraction, and correct, whilst the second would indicate possession.

There, dammit! We’re even.

Seriously though: irony is a good word and deserves to be applied properly. And yes, diction is precisely an appropriate word as you used it; I read the definition. But the thought occurred to me while doing so that diction comprises most of the word dictionary ...

HANWE!

SVTyler > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 16:00

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Agreed, though that kind of self-examination would require some sort of critical thinking and objectivity on the parts of LEO’s which, considering the typical authoritarian psychological profile and how their training discourages analytical thinking in favor of operating completely on instinct, doesn’t seem to be the strong suit of most officers. You’d figure the ‘good’ cops would get tired of people disparaging their profession because of the actions of a few ‘bad’ colleagues but instead they all just have this persecution complex where any criticism against any aspect of their job, no matter how constructive or relevant, is a deeply personal insult to them which just ends up killing any chance of productive conversations that might lead to improvements in the current situation we’re all in. There’s going to be zero progress until there’s a fundamental change to the way the union and the officers view their jobs and themselves and judging by the reaction to Kaep and Bill DeBlasio and BlackLivesMatter, it’s a very long way off.

NostalgicCarLife > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 16:07

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It’s an intricate situation. But I’m generally on the side of letting people form their own identities. Telling somebody they’re not “really” this or that is too presumptuous, but it is something most don’t seem to have a problem with currently.

Jayhawk Jake > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 17:24

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It’s a free country. He can do what he wants, it doesn’t matter whether I think it’s right or wrong. To people give him shit for it, quit being unamerican and respect his freedoms.

Dusty Ventures > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/02/2016 at 22:29

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I’m just going to leave this here. Dude’s donated a million dollars to community organizations, and he’s been meeting with a number of people, including other atheletes, civic leaders, and members of the military (most notably an ex-green beret with whom Colin worked to ensure his protest shows support for the military while still putting out his message, which is why he took a knee instead of sat during the Chargers game).

Personally I get it, I’ve had enough run-ins, close calls, and cases of random harassment that I’m genuinely a bit scared sometimes. Hopefully the progression of his protest and the steps he’s taken over the past week or so will help enact change.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Dusty Ventures 09/03/2016 at 10:05

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Morning Dusty. Personally, I’m completely fine with CK’s statement. American policing is a very ill culture and we're not North Korea so you don't have to stand for the national anthem if you don't feel like it. It's not like CK was mooning the camera or drawing attention to himself.

qbeezy > Sam 09/03/2016 at 18:42

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This is a wrong mentality to have. Protesting something that is wrong is not the same as spouting ‘America sucks’. Ignoring the issue is akin to letting your kid run rampant in a store and ignoring it. Then getting mad when someone says something to you about it.